Join the PSC The first one was, I mentioned before, I put together with some friends a panel of people to talk about their career paths after they graduated. WEINTRAUB-BREVDA: There were a few different things that I did outside of my general research. So I decided to sort of go in that direction. And so along with some friends, we put together this panel of people to talk about how they had a PhD but chose other fields. So there are just different things that you can emphasize about your career path depending on where you’re applying. Because you can talk to people in your life but to have someone where you really respect their opinion can also help you. Rachel received her PhD from The Graduate Center’s Psychology program in the Cognition, Brain & Behavior subprogram. So I had a one on one with my immediate supervisor and then I met the team. 61 Broadway, 15th Floor, NYC 10006 | So read the job description really carefully. I also had set up alerts on a lot of other platforms that would alert me to jobs that fit a specific description or had key vocabulary in the title, so that I could apply to those. This panel was originally held in April 2020. The other thing that I would add is that as much as I did use key words in the search, I also really loved expanding my network by just randomly connecting with people on LinkedIn. It sounds like a lot of you had supportive mentors. I needed to like put myself on a schedule because you have those times when you’re just feeling very dejected. And it kind of got me thinking about other opportunities that I might be interested in. Which, even though that wasn’t my research focus, those were the things I had been doing on the side. And I learned that there are all these transferrable skills we have that we get during our training and that we hone during our training in the PhD. The museum and most places do as well. Like those are also relevant. Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | RSS. This series is sponsored by the Graduate Center’s Office of Career Planning & Professional Development. A lot of sleepless nights and writing my dissertation. I got very active in 500 Women Scientists, which is another organization. I had a great bio foundation but I also have a pretty significant psych foundation in terms of my content knowledge. So carving out time for that is a challenge. Because the jargon will change over the years depending on what’s current and what’s important at that time and what the current initiatives are at that time. Not to say that I was positive the entire time but I kept at it. So I would say there was a mix I think of formal and informal opportunities that I tried to take advantage during graduate school to see what other things I might be interested in. Because that’s essentially what we do, we distill information from larger more complex sources to present it in a way that’s manageable. And that not only helped me in the context of my research and being a mentor, but it also helped in the soft skills that I was able to flex constantly in my teaching. Not the ideal, but we had a conversation later about it. Hunter Schools Safe Return; Delayed Equity … And at some point I was part of group that started up a Women in Science group at City College and that I felt like matched a lot of my interests. I did my undergrad with CUNY at Hunter College and I did PhD work in Behavioral Neuroscience at the GC. And I was there for a few years, it was really great and I learned a lot. VOICE-OVER: This is Alumni Aloud, a podcast by Graduate Center students for Graduate Center students. BATIST: Definitely. In this episode of Alumni Aloud, our panelists tell us about how to incorporate outreach experiences into PhD life, the importance of continuously expanding your colleague, mentor and job search networks, and the translatable strategic planning skills PhD students have. As I mentioned that’s how I got my job but I also think you can use LinkedIn in a really good way to connect with people who might be posting things that you might be interested in. I also think data analysis has been really nice. SARANNA BELGRAVE, PANELIST: Hi, my name is Saranna Belgrave. So what I found was helpful also is the time that you’re actually doing the things that are structured and required of you whether you’re in a class or you’re at a job. And I initially heard of this job that I have now first through word of mouth and then that led me to the American Museum of Natural History’s website and I found the applications there. And then using your network in all kinds of ways. So I was supporting grad students and postdocs who were doing their neuroscience degrees at NYU. So that’s how I would frame thinking about what sort of verbiage you’re using. Some of the things I don’t love is I work in a large place and of course there’s bureaucracy. If you fall short in your essay writing task, then it will make your readers disappointed, and at the same time, you will be getting a low score for an essay. You devote so much time to actually doing the research, doing coursework, reading. Can each of you introduce yourselves, your current position and what that entails? To sort of expand your reach but also understand that you can’t get everything from the same person. STRANGAS: So I entered the PhD not sure that I wanted to go into an academic career but also not completely decided on what I did want to do. People love to talk, that’s why we get to come to these panels and if you show the interest, they’ll talk to you if they have the time. That’s not necessarily something you can hone as you would with data analysis but I think it’s really important. You’re using your time effectively and you can take that experience and include it on your CV or your resume that can better what you present to the positions that you want. BELGRAVE: So I started looking when my mentor and I were seeing eye to eye on when I would defend. It sounds like a lot of you are saying that it was kind of those things that really got you the job. So that was pretty standard, I used my CV in that process. Your cover letter to match it, to really emphasize what they’re looking for. It just feels so nice. And sometimes it feels like cheating to lean on your networks and it is an inequitable thing. Privacy Policy Protected by Akismet | So did higher admin, moving back into the CUNY world, into a slightly lower-level position then where I am now, where I got my feet wet with higher ed, science education administration and program management. It won’t be the same as it is for other people. You can go to your PI for certain types of help but you’re going to need other people. If it was like a writing position, the writing fellowship that I had. BATIST: How did you approach talking to your advisor, other mentors that you had in academia about leaving academia. This episode’s interview was conducted by Carly Batist. It was great, I realized that what I really liked to do was to help people figure out what they want to do as well, whether that’s academia or consulting or working with students. I ended up reaching out to some of the other people in my cohort and I let them know that I was on the hunt for a position and I was ready. Because that puts you then in a position to do better jobs doing the things that you enjoy. Something that I found useful because when you’re doing a PhD, time is so valuable. Subscribe via Apple or Google and you’ll automatically be notified of new episodes. Salary Schedule; RF Central Office Contract. Learned a lot, I loved it. I also was very regimented in the way I was doing it. It’s so big. Or find mentors outside to support you? Which I found is something that I flourish in specifically when it comes to bringing science to students and people that are not necessarily scientists. So that’s something that I think is really, really valuable. Similarly if you are a foreign national student, there’s a lot of differences with visa status. And there were weeks where I was like “I’m doing this, I have my 20oz coffee with an extra espresso shot and I’m going to get a ton of these out” and I did. Because there are a lot of companies that use these resume screeners and I think that those words, they’re based on the job description. WEINTRAUB-BREVDA: For me, I realized at some point during my PhD training that I didn’t want to stay in academia in sort of the pure sense. I really tried to search for lots of different things. Having been trained to do that during the course of my PhD directly speaks to the way I formulate my lectures and my lesson plans for courses. And so I think the words, they will come naturally to you when you’re looking through your own resume for things you enjoy doing. Which, like you said, it’s sort of like a feedback loop. Since the market for full-time faculty positions is challenging in New York, it’s almost like trying to find a pink unicorn. 2020 Impact Bargaining; Salary Schedule; Contract Implementation. I’ll say that long-term planning…you mentioned multi-tasking. So you might want someone for emotional support, you might someone to write you letters of recommendation, you might want someone to give you access to opportunities. Rochester graduate Emma Chang ’20 is a classically trained musician. Because throughout the course of my PhD even to know, I loved teaching. So similar to what we’re doing now. And I made my way through the more technical things but it wasn’t where I got that spark that Saranna mentioned. But I learned that it’s not necessarily a field that I wanted to continue in. When there’s a student that comes up to me and says “I did such and such and I went into the field and oh my god I touched a worm and it was nasty but it was great.” I live for those moments, that’s literally my fuel to get through the not so savory bits. I graduated in 2017 and I started working in administration in education. People that were directors of programs or directors of research centers and I reached out just like what Maria and Rachel were saying. Rachel Weintraub-Brevda, Saranna Belgrave, and Maria Strangas. There was word of mouth, I actually found my job through Indeed. Rachel Weintraub-Brevda, Saranna Belgrave, & Maria Strangas). I love it, still love it, but I needed a break. I came in after a phone interview and met with all the people that I would be working with. Something that I am not thrilled is…I work at a really enormous institution and it’s different from CUNY but we all know that CUNY has its bureaucracy. So recognizing that “I like this” but also “I want to be good at this thing that I like” and following that path. So being able to prioritize different projects, being able to eloquently write an email. But find something that works for you, I think that’s really critical. I will say on the informational interviews, definitely come prepared to those. This is a special edition of Alumni Aloud that was recorded at our virtual Careers in Science Communication & Outreach event in February 2021. That’s a lot of fun. And that also directly speaks to the outreach that I do because of the populations that I target, which are people that are typically not scientists or they have interest in science. STRANGAS: I’ll just add a little piece which is that…something that surprised me was that a lot of academic positions and postdocs, there are deadlines associated with them. So it’s giving that background that’s really important. But sometimes it’s really frustrating when you are supporting other people and you’re working in a large organization, that’s just bound to happen. Academia.edu is a platform for academics to share research papers. So it was obviously great for her because she was applying for grants that facilitated that relationship in the lab, gave her support for her research but also support for this sort of outreach. If it’s possible, work it in early and in small steps maybe of like “I’m thinking about these other things” and kind of building it up. WEINTRAUB-BREVDA: So as I was sort of nearing the end of my PhD, I actually had a baby while I was writing my dissertation. So I can do the stuff I know how to do, but I love being able to flex the muscle of thinking about what I want to do next. BATIST: So you all kind of touched on these things a little bit but what kind of translational, transferrable skills that you got through the PhD that are applicable to any kind of outside of academia position? Because there are some places that actually use computer tech to screen. So you’d have something where you’re designing an experiment while you have something ongoing while you have something in the writing stages. I did look for external mentors, not to replace but to add to my network of people and I was able to do that by just looking for people that were in positions that I eventually saw myself in way down the line. And read a few descriptions so that you see what sort of jargon is relevant currently. So that was my process. And how does that fit into your day-to-day tasks now? It is true that you can search on Indeed. At the time of the panel, Rachel was the Education & Outreach Program Manager at NYU Langone’s Center for Cognitive Neurology, Saranna was the STEM Research Manager at CUNY K16 Initiatives, and Maria was Manager of the Science Research Mentoring Program at the American Museum of Natural History. WEINTRAUB-BREVDA: I think multi-tasking and one of the pieces of advice that my PI gave me was to have projects at different stages. Department Chairs Guide; Past CUNY Contracts; RF Field Unit Contracts. STRANGAS: So as I said, I overlapped, which I was very fortunate and felt very lucky to have that opportunity. But also the data analysis comes in in kind of surprising ways sometimes. And then during my PhD I really found myself being drawn to outreach opportunities and to teaching opportunities and to all these little side things. But I love being a creative, not just being creative but a creative person. https://media.blubrry.com/alumni_aloud/p/ia801403.us.archive.org/28/items/aa-careers-in-science-communication-and-outreach/AA_SciComm.mp3, Biology in Science Communications (feat. I am also a CUNY baby. So finding things that you care about and enjoy and then finding the things that you care about and enjoy and then doing those things in a way that makes you better at them. Job interview questions and sample answers list, tips, guide and advice. CUNY EDGE Research Foundation (RF) campus staff, both FT and PT, may work remotely with the approval of their supervisor. If anyone wants to argue for splitting them like it was last year, please state your case now (preferably in General Discussion) since it'll be way harder to … So I’m working with clinician scientists now as well as students and postdocs and also doing some outreach. Also, check out our Twitter and Career Planning website at cuny.is/careerplan for more updates from our office or to make appointments with our career counselors. So we do some course, we do workshops with the scientists and with students. BELGRAVE: So my mentor found out that I didn’t want to stay in academia in an event very much like this one. I think that helped me really solidify that that was the kind of work that I was interested in doing. I started up a Women in Science mentoring program within that. Only you would know that but I would definitely recommend thinking about how to approach. So I know that my boss had said that she was really excited about the fact that I put together this panel of people who had a PhD and went on to do other things because that was similar to what I would be doing in the current position. So for me, I can say that similar to Maria, a lot of my side projects were what got me this job. And honestly, be old-school about it, make a list. So I leaned on people that I know that already worked at the museum so that I could highlight the things that I had done that were relevant. Also emotional intelligence, really, really important. And the reason why I did that was, I would message and say “Oh we have this in common.” But I also did it with people I didn’t have things in common with because they post for their positions. 2020 Impact Bargaining; Salary Schedule; Contract Implementation. HOST, VOICE-OVER: That’s a wrap for this episode of Alumni Aloud! I looked everywhere. She's also a YouTube star. *laughs* To find a full-time faculty position. The advice I would give you based off my own experience as well working with so many other people is to figure out what your personal conditions and to figure out a schedule and system that works for you and your career path. So the strategy that Saranna’s talking about having cover letters ready, having CVs ready is a really powerful one. I’m helping to run a science fair that is a regional science fair in New York City that caters to high school students as well as coordinating the program that I currently manage. I also took advantage of the CUNY Writing Across the Curriculum fellowship, which really helped my writing skills and tutoring skills and all of that. And also the second part of it is similar to Rachel in being able to flex creativity. And so that would be my recommendation. And I also taught a lot. So that aspect of being a creative in the position that I’m in now is also deeply satisfying. A couple are asking what key words would you suggest looking out for or that you used for your alerts? So led me in a clearer path than I had had before into my current job. Hunter Schools Safe Return; Delayed Equity … Just a little bit of background. So I can have lots of programs for different groups and thinking about them in different ways. You’ve been with this person for five years or more so they know you. My background is in Cognitive Neuroscience and I was moving to a place that I was working with students and postdocs in neuroscience. STRANGAS: And I think there are the words that you search on Indeed or things like that, which I think this list that Saranna is talking about is ideal for that. BATIST: Great. And then there’s what words you put in your resume. And that was a huge learning experience for me, working directly with patients. BELGRAVE: So I utilized two paths. CUNY-ADVANCED SCIENCE RESEARCH CENTER: Postdoctoral Research Associate: May 16, 2021: CUNY-ADVANCED SCIENCE RESEARCH CENTER: Postdoctoral Researcher: May 23, 2021: CUNY-ADVANCED SCIENCE RESEARCH CENTER: Collections Accessibility Intern: May 23, 2021: OFFICE OF SR VC FOR UNIVERSITY … I kept doing these volunteering for the New York rf cuny jobs it required a PhD was. 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